LightningRods mid drive kit

[snowranger]

Very nice pron!

This may sway me away from the BBS02 for the Yuba build. Wonder if it will be quiet enough for street use.

How do you get on the waiting list for this?

 

[LightningRods]

Teslanv thanks for your marketing thoughts. I was about to say that I don't go for the "premium price means premium product" reasoning but all of my computers but one are Apples, so maybe it does work. :wink:

Snowranger I fought for a full year to make belt primary drive work properly because I like my street equipment as quiet as possible. Check in with skyungjae about how quiet the drive is. He said in his experience my 25mm wide drive is quieter than the 15mm GNG belt drive. And mine doesn't skip or wear out prematurely. I am going to have to get my hands on a Bafang and see how the noise levels compare. People keep asking me.

A $400 deposit will get you in the production queue. Once we get the motor shaft deal sorted (we're very close) I'm planning on a three week lead time.

 

[Gab]

For a belt drive those guards need to be completely enclosed to stop mud getting on the belt ? otherwise the kit will only be suited to onroad use where their is no mud? Will you still make a chain drive version for offroad use ?

 

[r3volved]

For a belt drive those guards need to be completely enclosed to stop mud getting on the belt ? otherwise the kit will only be suited to onroad use where their is no mud? Will you still make a chain drive version for offroad use ?

Is there any truth to this fear? I hear it a lot and I've had my gng caked in mud and never had any problems.

 

[Wishes]

For a belt drive those guards need to be completely enclosed to stop mud getting on the belt ? otherwise the kit will only be suited to onroad use where their is no mud? Will you still make a chain drive version for offroad use ?

Is there any truth to this fear? I hear it a lot and I've had my gng caked in mud and never had any problems.

I have not tried LR's belt in a muddy environment, yet. I ran it through snow though and it held fine. But that is not like mud.

Last year i did run the stock gng belt in mud, I had the stock mud guard, it was enough to prevent the bulk of it from hitting the actual belt, and the rest that did hit it just got flinged right off. After a good ride on muddy trails, my bike, myself and the gng motor would be caked in mud but there would be nothing really on the belt or pulley's itself.

I'm sure at some level, if you actually did manage to get some mud in between the belt and the sprockets, it could contribute to some wear on the belt. But with your forward momentum, plus the spinning momentum of both belt and pulleys, nothing really sticks to the belt. A basic mud guard to protect from the bulk of it coming off the front wheel is plenty. Anything more is a luxury.

If you are going to run it like a dirt bike in 6 inches of mud, well then you are maybe better considering a #219 chain as the primary. And i believe with LR's motor shaft, and the jackshaft adapter that holds his large pulley, a #219 chain primary mod should be a simple bolt on.

Just my 2 cents.

Wishes

 

[spinningmagnets]

Mike still has a full-time job, so looking at the design choices he's made...coupled with the awesome results he's been able to get (in his "part time" job)...I can't imagine how many man-hours he's had to put into this to just get us to this point.

Concerning the under bash-guards and more extensive belt/chain covers...the present state of the kit provides a solid base for the ES community to experiment with fiberglass, vacuum-formed plastic, carbon-fiber, water-jetted aluminum plate, etc

Whether Mike offers one of those as an option in the future, I am certain anything he might choose will only be offered if it meets the type of quality and performance standards that is already obvious in everything he's done...let the man breathe!...he's being awesome as fast as he can!

 

[m4s73r]

Agreed. Its not often that something gets perfected. Data helps all these questions being asked. Personally i like it naked. Start putting covers on it and it take away from the mechanical feel to it. This on a recumbent trike @72v w 28" rear wheel is going to be awesome road trike.

 

[t0me]

Mike, its a thing of beauty. Thank you.

 

[t0me]

To make it easier for others to post this awesomeness to their favourite social media

 

[LightningRods]

 

[brixmitch]

...he's being awesome as fast as he can!

I'm going to have to steal that phrase for future use!

 

[drew12345]

Looks pretty sweet. Can't wait to see it in action!

 

[nukezero]

Is that picture the FINAL product shipped out the door? With all the guards and everything?

 

[emaayan]

actually ecospeed's kit costs 2400$ if you subtract their 500-600$ Velociraptor controller (i know this, because i had to purchase one separately after i torched the last one i got the with kit) but to "balance" things out their official rating is 1300 watts while yours is 3000
i don't anything about eGo aside from the fact that carrying an a potential explosive device on my back is not something i care to do on a daily basis, also eGo is much more dedicated towards the freeride downhill frames then for normal commuting, you big block should handle that.

i'm trying picture that without the crank , BB and motor (as i'll have the thun BB and i requested to split the shipment to 4 different packages ), and i'm thinking no way this thing can be considered (fingers crossed,knock wood etc..) as an kit for ebikes.. it also helps that your logo is a mini-tractor (for some reason). the PTP would totally go for the electric wench

cover story... right?

don't forget to update your website with these images. also spinningmagnets should update his original post with either a link or the photos themselves for folks "who just got here".

 

[spinningmagnets]

your logo is a mini-tractor (for some reason)

Mike and I are about the same age, and when we were young...one of the iconic hot rods for a young man to build was a 1932 Ford (2 = "deuce", so its a "deuce coupe", like the Beach Boys song)

 

[emaayan]

hmm... so not a tractor then..

 

[skyungjae]

your logo is a mini-tractor (for some reason)

Mike and I are about the same age, and when we were young...one of the iconic hot rods for a young man to build was a 1932 Ford (2 = "deuce", so its a "deuce coupe", like the Beach Boys song)

Only two carbs? Tri-POWER!

 

[LightningRods]

Is that picture the FINAL product shipped out the door? With all the guards and everything?

It's the current product as of this week. I'm throwing the guards in for free for my early adopters because they are safety items and I don't think the kit should be run without them. The base kit ships with just the outer 219 driven sprocket. I have all of the chainwheel parts and hardware shown in the photos for $60 additional. You can specify 32, 44, and 48 tooth 1/2" final drive chainwheels.

When Spinningmagnets and I were kids growing up in Southern California (we didn't know each other then) a "Rod" was a cool car. A "Hot Rod" was a fast and cool car. A "Lightning Rod" in my thinking is a cool vehicle powered by electricity. Since it's also an existing and well known object in the form of a lightning conductor, I thought people would be able to remember it.

The "Rod" in my LightningRods logo is indeed a '32 Ford roadster. If all goes well with my enterprise you'll see me driving an electric powered '32 someday. I'm thinking black with airbrushed lightning graphics. 8)

 

[nukezero]

Is that picture the FINAL product shipped out the door? With all the guards and everything?

It's the current product as of this week. I'm throwing the guards in for free for my early adopters because they are safety items and I don't think the kit should be run without them. The base kit ships with just the outer 219 driven sprocket. I have all of the chainwheel parts and hardware shown in the photos for $60 additional. You can specify 32, 44, and 48 tooth 1/2" final drive chainwheels.

When Spinningmagnets and I were kids growing up in Southern California (we didn't know each other then) a "Rod" was a cool car. A "Hot Rod" was a fast and cool car. A "Lightning Rod" in my thinking is a cool vehicle powered by electricity. Since it's also an existing and well known object in the form of a lightning conductor, I thought people would be able to remember it.

The "Rod" in my LightningRods logo is indeed a '32 Ford roadster. If all goes well with my enterprise you'll see me driving an electric powered '32 someday. I'm thinking black with airbrushed lightning graphics. 8)

I actually wouldn't mind to have some parts of the pulley snd belt exposed. It looks cool that way, provided it doesn't catch my pants.

I hope I can get the kit soon..

 

[emaayan]

Is that picture the FINAL product shipped out the door? With all the guards and everything?

It's the current product as of this week. I'm throwing the guards in for free for my early adopters because they are safety items and I don't think the kit should be run without them. The base kit ships with just the outer 219 driven sprocket. I have all of the chainwheel parts and hardware shown in the photos for $60 additional. You can specify 32, 44, and 48 tooth 1/2" final drive chainwheels.

When Spinningmagnets and I were kids growing up in Southern California (we didn't know each other then) a "Rod" was a cool car. A "Hot Rod" was a fast and cool car. A "Lightning Rod" in my thinking is a cool vehicle powered by electricity. Since it's also an existing and well known object in the form of a lightning conductor, I thought people would be able to remember it.

The "Rod" in my LightningRods logo is indeed a '32 Ford roadster. If all goes well with my enterprise you'll see me driving an electric powered '32 someday. I'm thinking black with airbrushed lightning graphics. 8)

if you are planning to to make changes often that would constant, i suggest you make versions or revisions part of the name (L-R 1.0,1.1,1.2 etc..) would make it easier

and why bother wasting paint when you can go all over it solar panels on it

also if you're still having problems with inventory and parts catalog i could try and whip up a small access db that would assist , nothing fancy, just a list of catalog parts,amount, customer names..

 

[LightningRods]

Steve and I put in 12 hours in the shop today. We got a lot done. Two big blocks got fitted with their 12mm output shafts and are ready to ship to customers. I also got three small blocks finished and ready to assemble into kits early this week. Steve is wading into this pile of motors and pressing their motor shafts out so that they can be annealed and machined. Every one we do the process gets faster and better. I want to ship all of these in the next two weeks.

Here's a short video of one of the big block motors getting bench tested. The 2" wide rotor in this brute really makes it jump when you hit the throttle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVNDhDPy2UU&feature=youtu.be

 

[emaayan]

any reason why you selected the white TAMiYA instead of jst's for halls? ? or was it simply what lyen was using?

 

[boltedjolt]

I was wondering does the big block bolt up to the gang brackets? or is this a diy motor setup?

 

[LightningRods]

any reason why you selected the white TAMiYA instead of jst's for halls? ? or was it simply what lyen was using?

The white connectors are standard on both the motors and Lyen's controller. I'm looking into black Japanese Solderless Terminals because of customer requests for them. Apparently Europeans (and Israelis?) don't like the white Chinese connectors.

I was wondering does the big block bolt up to the gang brackets? or is this a diy motor setup?

Not sure exactly what you mean. There is nothing GNG whatsoever about my big block kit. No interchangeability with GNG parts. I have new 102mm wide motor brackets that fit this motor. It also requires a wider jackshaft and housing. It's DIY for me but you can buy one ready to install on your bike.

 

[emaayan]

i just don't like the tamiyas' simply because they are huge, they can house much bigger awg wires then i think is needed for hall sensors,
i need to able to tuck them along my downtube.
maybe you should label the Big Block L-R kit as LightningRod BB to avoid confusion..