Oregon E-Bike Law, does anyone have the ORS where ....

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It's stated that in order to ride an E-Bike in Oregon, that you are required not to HAVE and vehicle license, but you must be ELIGIBLE for a vehicle (driver's) license to be able to ride an E-Bike in Oregon?

Thanks!
 
Not quite sure what you mean. You have to have a licence? Or is it you don't have to have a licence but can't be someone who's ineligible for one for various reasons, epilepsy, dui, legaly blind, etc.

In New Mexico, you do have to have a valid licence since the state considers any kind of bicycle with any kind of motor a moped. And mopeds require a valid licence. But no registration or insurance.
 
Is this what you were referring to LI?
Although a driver license is not required for motor-assisted scooters, electric assisted bicycles and personal mobility devices, riders must be at least 16 years old (ORS 807.020 and 814.512) and be eligible for driving privileges. It is also possible for a person whose driving privileges are suspended or revoked to be charged with operating any motorized vehicle while suspended/revoked - including a motor-assisted scooter - on public roads.

It came from this site:

http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/vehicle/pocketbike_factsheet.shtml
 
Thank you for finding that for me.

I am at a terrible position, my father is becoming increasingly dangerous to himself and others because he is unable to:

A) Make safe choices, i.e. correct judgments about when or if to pull out into traffic

B) Will not follow me on the path I take exactly and regularly impedes traffic by refusing to use the bicycle lane with traffic backed up behind him

C) Becomes angry with me when I stop at the end of the driveway to let a car pass before pulling out into the road (almost hits me, and ends up along the road almost into it because he's not wanting to stop, seems to think it's more important to keep up his average speed than not pull in front of a car!!)

D) Took off today with-out me when I had to pull over to fix something on my bike

This is a very sad and stressful thing for me. At his worst dad has pulled into a VERY busy lane of traffic that had to be crossed to continue on a fully separate bike path that is away from the road, and STOPPED in the MIDDLE OF THE ROAD!!

We had to make a left across traffic and I went into the turn lane and dad for some reason just stayed in the main lane of traffic which leads right to a major freeway on-ramp, I-205 Southbound to be specific, and fortunately the driver behind us was moving slow and being cautious or dad would have been in the hospital again.

Dad has smashed 2 more helmets in about 6 months time, one because a car failed to yield "right of way" coming from his left, however that is his blind side (he literally has NO left field vision and should have seen her coming) and he smashed into the right rear panel of her car as she passes in front of him.

That could have happened to anyone who had been momentarily distracted, however, dad lacks the reflexes, vision and judgment to avoid such an acident.

This most recent accident, dad was found unconscious in the middle of the road with nothing near him. Could possibly have been a form of hit and run, but all we know is how he was found, that his shoulder was hurt in the accident, and that his helmet was cracked front to back in a line on the left side and he only received a concussion.

I really am at my wit's end, I am seeking help from friends, neighbors and church members, because of my dad's lack of judgment, even when he stopped in the middle of traffic a couple of months back, he doesn't seem to think it's any big deal (serious denial) he feels like the only reason he doesn't have his driver's license anymore is because the eye doctor hates him.

I fear now that because he is ineligible for a driver's license that he is not legal to ride an E-Bike, and realistically, unless he will listen to the person leading the morning ride, he is going to continue until he is in another accident.

Today near the end of our ride, he fortunately didn't turn in front of anyone, but he has a habit of not leaving the bike lane until he is turning left crossing traffic, and can't understand why this is a problem.

He had several minor crashes in the near past where he simply cut it too close on the inside of a curb, and hit his pedal on the curb, which caused him to fall.

Before all of this, he had been suffering from some pretty severe anxiety and depression, he has been taking the same dose of medication for the last 10 years and not telling the doctor the real extent of his problems, and is now having all this stuff add up to equal a very scary situation on the road.

Please keep him in your thoughts or prayers if you pray, he is going to feel really betrayed and trapped now that he can't ride for a while, or possibly ever on a public road, unless I can find someone else he will follow on morning rides, especially because I will be going on these long trips.

I love my father and it breaks my heart to take his one last bit of freedom away, but I know if I don't do this until he gets help and or learns to accept and work around his limitations, he will be in another accident and maybe someone else will be hurt too or someone may end up dead.

Thank you for reading

God bless
 
That sucks, man :/..
If i were you i'd sabotage his various forms of transport. It's really all that you can do. Unless you want to live with the guilt of him getting into an serious accident under your command..

You are very fortunate to live in a state that has good public transport.. north part of it anyway.
 
Thank you both for your kind words, I have sabo'd anything with wheels or put a lock through it, we have a tandem, but good luck getting dad to agree to that, perhaps we can put the kit on that, tons of room for batteries at least, we have other issues that have to be addressed too, but first and foremost, dad's safety.

Thank you again, gotta get some sleep, been up too late too many nights ...
 
Hoo boy. I guess your dad is getting on in years? Mines 86 now, and it sure was hard for him to accept not driving when the time came. But my dad's pretty mellow to start with, so it was not too bad in the end. His situation was made easier by having a young wife, now in her fifties, who can drive him where he needs to go.

I wish I had a magic answer for you but I don't. It sounds like a tough situation with your dad being such a strong willed dude all his life. It's cleat that remaining in controll is still really really important to his self esteem. But with his judgement getting less reliable, he's unable to judge for himself that it's that dangerous.
 
You will not be able to reason with him. Bikes are his last choice of independence. His reaction is typical. Have the bike "stolen". Remove it from the property. If the local police are willing include them in the deal to convince him it was stolen. Get him a second opinion on his eyes. That may convince him.

Our parents become our children. They need us. They can be so difficult.

Play the guilt trip. If he has grand kids, tell him his grandkids need him. He won't do it for himself. Find a motivation for him not to ride.

Best of luck.
 
Thank you guys, I'm trying really hard to make this easier, but I know I have to stand firm. I told dad this morning what I had done and why I did it, he hadn't even noticed yet. He seemed to take it pretty good, all things considered, but if I can, I will do my best to see if we can't still take him on a bike path, and I'm really hoping to find someone else to ride with him that maybe will help him see why he isn't safe on the road anymore.

I like the idea of the bike being "stolen" but I know my mother would never agree to that, but I can see how that would be a good way to deflect his anger and frustration away from the family.

Dad is pretty mellow most of the time, but I think I get my stubborn streak from him, and if you push him into a corner, he just digs in.

This is going to be an up-hill battle, the best thing is I know he would rather sit on a hot poker than ride a non-electric bike, but I just had to be sure when we left he wouldn't ride just out of spite.

My greatest fear is that not only he will be hurt in his next accident, but that someone else might be hurt too when a car is avoiding hitting dad.

Just please remember wear your helmets, my dad is still alive because of good helmets, I'm sure his last two accidents would have either killed or permanently maimed/debilitated him to the point that we wouldn't have been able to care for him with out a professional helping us.

Dad is just 67, but because of his mental illness (anxiety and depression) now compounded by his head injury, he acts much like someone in their late 80's early 90's

He tells me things like "I have to follow me routine or it ruins whole day" and to him, making un-planned stops to allow traffic to go by breaks his routine.

Fortunately today it's raining and he wouldn't be really interested in riding anyway, so that part was easier, but he is pretty mad at me for un-plugging all the wires on his bike. His vision is such that it would be nearly impossible for him to hook it all back up himself (I don't put it past him though, if determined, I'm sure he would figure it out!) I just didn't want him to be able to just take off while we were gone.

The last time I had a premonition about dad being in an accident, we got a call early the next morning that he was in an accident and was being taken to the hospital. I'm not going to ignore any more feelings like that, so I am going to play it safe.

I might be willing to give dad more slack if he hadn't already smashed 2 helmets in the last 6 mons or so, I feel like I need to get him help for this whether he feels he needs it or not.
 
Sorry to hear about your Dad. It can be very difficult. Maybe you could get him evaluated by a good neuro-psychiatrist at a regional Medical Center. With his history of anxiety and a fixation on routines, he could have obsessive-compulsive disorder. With the trauma history, he could have a brain injury or slow bleed. Either or both of those could be causing or compounding his problems. Sometimes medications and/or other therapies can make a dramatic difference. It might be worth a try, if you can get him there - jd
 
Rassy said:
Is this what you were referring to LI?
Although a driver license is not required for motor-assisted scooters, electric assisted bicycles and personal mobility devices, riders must be at least 16 years old (ORS 807.020 and 814.512) and be eligible for driving privileges. It is also possible for a person whose driving privileges are suspended or revoked to be charged with operating any motorized vehicle while suspended/revoked - including a motor-assisted scooter - on public roads.

It came from this site:

http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/vehicle/pocketbike_factsheet.shtml

Wow, this is bad, I can't even find this info from the website, I guess I know why when I talk to the local police dept. each time I seem to get a different answer!

Maybe they should simplify the way they list these rules and regulations so I don't need a lawyer to help me read them! :lol:

I don't doubt that this quoted information is in there, but can you help me find it more specifically? I just got off the phone with first the local police dept. and then the DMV, and the police dept. official was still on the "it's a moped" line, and of course when I talked to DMV they said it correctly that an electric assisted bike is no a moped, however they came to the conclusion that you are NOT required to have driving privileges to operate an electric assisted bicycle.

I really want to slap the person who wrote the ORS now!!>?!! :evil: :roll: :lol: :wink:
 
jdcburg said:
Sorry to hear about your Dad. It can be very difficult. Maybe you could get him evaluated by a good neuro-psychiatrist at a regional Medical Center. With his history of anxiety and a fixation on routines, he could have obsessive-compulsive disorder. With the trauma history, he could have a brain injury or slow bleed. Either or both of those could be causing or compounding his problems. Sometimes medications and/or other therapies can make a dramatic difference. It might be worth a try, if you can get him there - jd

Thank you, I hope so too, I believe the main problems I have witnessed are due to "cross-over" which causes his brain to try and use the damaged part to do it's normal function, and then there is a pause when that part can't, and the new part of the brain kicks in as back-up to perform this same function.

That is what a ex-Air Force trauma surgeon told me that I chanced upon (ok, I don't believe it was by chance, but providence) who has treated many who have suffered brain damage in war.

I agree you are correct and that he needs to see more specialists, the problem is that his "normal" as far as the need for control and anxiety and depression issues were not even treated for close to 30 years, now his "normal" is taking a pill at night that knocks him out, and he goes to bed MUCH earlier than he ever did before, 8PM and he has always had trouble sleeping, so he will often wake up early like 2 - 4 AM and I remember he used to wake me up as a kid on rare occasion and tell me how precious sleep was, and what a gift it was just to be able to sleep well at night.

I think also because he idolized his own father he is blind to some of the obsessive-compulsive things that he is doing now that 10 or so years ago he could see as silly and strange when his father did them, like trying to get multiple uses out of paper coffee filters, cutting up banana peels and putting them in baggies and leaving them all over the kitchen, never actually using them to fertilize the roses as intended, but just storing them up until we finally throw them out because they are too many and unsanitary.

We have a new coffee machine for him we got for his birthday that has a permanent metal filter, but we haven't even set it up yet since it has been so busy, and we know it will be a fight to use it at all since dad values not spending money over just about anything else.

He still has gifts in their packages from years past never opened or used even though the tools he has are falling apart, he wants to hoard the new ones and save them for a future that never comes.

My parent's house is in need of a bathroom remodel that they bought all the supplies to do, but because dad feels too "pressured" to even talk about it, much less do it or even let someone else do it, it doesn't get done.

Sorry for writing a book!

Thanks for listening

Dayn
 
Ok, I looked closer at this page listed:

http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/vehicle/pocketbike_factsheet.shtml

Sorry for not looking as close as I should have. At the bottom under the FAQ section the third question and answer states the following:

Are scooters, mopeds, electric assisted bicycles and personal mobility devices legal on Oregon public roads?
Some of these vehicles are legal in some situations if they meet the specific definitions and restrictions in Oregon law. Also, riders must be at least 16 years old and not have driving privileges suspended or revoked.

Although a driver license is not required for motor-assisted scooters, electric assisted bicycles and personal mobility devices, riders must be at least 16 years old (ORS 807.020 and 814.512) and be eligible for driving privileges. It is also possible for a person whose driving privileges are suspended or revoked to be charged with operating any motorized vehicle while suspended/revoked - including a motor-assisted scooter - on public roads.

Driving any motor vehicle on a public road while suspended is a Class A violation with a maximum fine of $720.
 
I feel for both you and your father; I went thru that during my mom's last year as she grew sicker and sicker, with her car. Eventually I and my younger sister had to take her keys, and my younger sister then drove my mom wherever she wanted to go whenever she wanted to do it, so that she didn't feel quite as helpless. But it was not a happy time at all. :(
 
Thanks AW, I think under the circumstances we have a pretty good compromise atm, I have taken dad to some of the better scenic bike/multi-use paths, today we are going to take the I-205 bridge that he helped build when he was working for ODOT, so I think he will enjoy that, it's nice to be able to go riding where traffic isn't an issue anyway!

Anyone know a good place to park near the I-205 bridge? It can be on either the Oregon or Washington side.

Thanks!
 
Should be plenty of room at Home Depot, and easy access to the bike trail.
 
Thanks! We took a spot at Sheri's, but Home Depot is a good idea too.
 
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