Never used them, threw them in the trash when I got the hub motor kit. Never had to use them, because if I did throttle and wanted to slow down, I lifted off the throttle. If I did PAS, I quit pedaling. Put on hydraulic brakes instead and never looked back. The only time I 'could' have ever used them is when I was in cruise control on a KT controller and had to look down and put the PAS to 0 when I wanted to slow down. That's the only time I would have needed to use brakes with e-power cutoff. PAS and throttle on/off (usually) do a great job of starting and stopping the motor by themselves...no need for redundant brake cutoff of power.
However...I plan on trying out a mid-drive w/o a front freewheel, as in it's a fixed chainring that automatically moves the pedals when in PAS 1-9. Dangerous? We'll find out won't we. We'll also see how hard I can freeze the pedals in PAS mode to stop them and provide a signal to the controller to cut power. This is an experiment --- that may very well fail later. Will choose nice open spaces to do this in lol. If freezing the pedals in place with my shoes to stop the power doesn't work w/PAS, then throttle off would send a signal to cut power when not using the throttle. So I'd just throttle around instead and not use PAS.
3rd safety net: there are now decent-priced hydraulic brakes that have 3-pin wires to connect with an extender group of wires that then goes to the controller. The real question is: if in PAS mode, and I can't stomp on the pedals enough to stop them in a fixed position so the PAS sensor reads 'stop' (remember no front freewheel), will braking send a signal that overrides the power signal constantly coming from the controller. If yes, I don't even need to press hard on the pedals, I just tap the brakes. Easy. Same with using the throttle if it gets stuck on for some reason.
Will all three of these above methods override the power signal from the controller to the motor, or is there a power cutoff pecking order that a typical controller prefers (KT ones).
However...I plan on trying out a mid-drive w/o a front freewheel, as in it's a fixed chainring that automatically moves the pedals when in PAS 1-9. Dangerous? We'll find out won't we. We'll also see how hard I can freeze the pedals in PAS mode to stop them and provide a signal to the controller to cut power. This is an experiment --- that may very well fail later. Will choose nice open spaces to do this in lol. If freezing the pedals in place with my shoes to stop the power doesn't work w/PAS, then throttle off would send a signal to cut power when not using the throttle. So I'd just throttle around instead and not use PAS.
3rd safety net: there are now decent-priced hydraulic brakes that have 3-pin wires to connect with an extender group of wires that then goes to the controller. The real question is: if in PAS mode, and I can't stomp on the pedals enough to stop them in a fixed position so the PAS sensor reads 'stop' (remember no front freewheel), will braking send a signal that overrides the power signal constantly coming from the controller. If yes, I don't even need to press hard on the pedals, I just tap the brakes. Easy. Same with using the throttle if it gets stuck on for some reason.
Will all three of these above methods override the power signal from the controller to the motor, or is there a power cutoff pecking order that a typical controller prefers (KT ones).